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Poster: deadheadnorway Date: May 27, 2011 7:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mystery Vocalist.

Thanks.

I very seldom thinks Dead-shows stink. I love most of the periods etc. But this one... well, the less said the better.




Kind regards.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: May 27, 2011 2:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mystery Vocalist.

1986 was sort of the bottoming out of the general downward trajectory the band had been on since mid 1978. The post coma period wasn't strong initially, either, but it did lead up to the band's last period of consistently strong performances (1989-90).

I have fewer shows in my collection from '86 than any other year prior to 1992, when IMO the final nosedive began. I can't think of a single show from '86 I'd grade higher than a D+.

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Poster: utopian Date: May 27, 2011 2:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mystery Vocalist.

you said, "I can't think of a single show from '86 I'd grade higher than a D+."

try this one- especially the althea
http://www.archive.org/details/gd86-12-30.sbd.barbella.6025.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 27, 2011 3:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mystery Vocalist.

Having been at all first 7 post-coma shows, I can say that the "vibe" at those shows was very strong, if not always the music, since jerry was "back" and playing. those shows were definitely more about the "family" (of which we're all part) than the any particular set list.

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Poster: spacecowboy Date: May 29, 2011 2:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mystery Vocalist.

Thanks for bringing this '86 Althea to our attention. The band ERUPTS at the 7 minute mark.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: May 28, 2011 5:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mystery Vocalist.

Okay, maybe there a couple that I would give a "C" if I was feeling generous. ;) The post coma shows are at least competent and full of high spirits, if not musically impressive, and there are occasional signs of life buried deep within a couple of other shows. But on balance those moments aren't worth the dreck one must wade through to get to them. To each his own, obviously, but personally I can't fathom why anyone would want to listen to anything from this wretched year with so much other superior material to choose from, even within the same decade.

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Poster: utopian Date: May 29, 2011 8:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mystery Vocalist.

I apologize. Very glad to hear about your opinion.

This post was modified by utopian on 2011-05-30 03:52:35

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: May 28, 2011 9:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mystery Vocalist.

It's an opinion. That's what this board is for. Trust me, I saw my share of shows in '86 and I've listened to plenty others.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: May 27, 2011 3:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mystery Vocalist.

While 86 wasn't a great year I agree that there are shows that would merit more than a d+. This is a pre coma gig from the Spring tour that is more than serviceable.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd86-03-19.sony.lai.3905.sbefail.shnf

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Poster: bkidwell Date: May 27, 2011 8:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mystery Vocalist.

I think the first half of 1986 has more weak shows and outright bad moments than any set of tours until 1995. I feel the same way you do in general, I enjoy most shows from most years except 1995, 1986, and 1992, which I would say are mostly weak or mediocre. 1968-1974 is on a higher level than the other years, the "valleys" in that era are about as high as the "mountains" from other years. Every year has something special and distinctive that makes it worth listening to though, and its fun finding a "streak" of hot shows in years that aren't talked about as much.

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Poster: utopian Date: May 27, 2011 12:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mystery Vocalist. 1986

There are some pretty good moments in 86; a bit of a cleaned up sound than the early 80s mind melt. Jerry was wearing the red t shirts, which in interviews, he said he was really on a bender.

The december shows illustrate how much the haggen daz hiatus had evolved them yet again and how much inspiration was still moving them brightly. Clean jerry was awesome, The whole new years series was well played. 12-30-86 is stellar, which moved them into on of the better spring tours in their history, yes spring 87 is bad ass good ole gd. And even spring had its moments. listen to the jack straw from 2-8-86.

*(correction jack straw 2-9-86)*
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1986-02-09.sbd.walker-scotton.miller.106119.flac16

3-21-86 nice setlist, little too much bobby guitar in supplication,
ujb and playin are well........ Just listen ...very nice
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1986-03-21.nak300.damico.87638.flac

5-3-86 nice sbd, Jerrys voice is strong, better than it had been recently
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1986-05-03.sbd.miller.81516.flac16

5-10-86 sugaree, is rather atrocious
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1986-05-10.sbd.walker-scotton.miller.81625.flac16







It is one of the mist unlistened to years in general but As a whole I think 86 was better than 92-95 combined.

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Poster: bkidwell Date: May 27, 2011 11:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mystery Vocalist. 1986

I agree that post-coma 1986 is a whole different story, and I like a lot of the music in December of that year. Mentally, I think of post-coma 86 as part of 87, a fine year, thats why I started out referring specifically to the first half of 86. I like a lot of 93 quite a bit, and 94 is kind of fascinating just because it has such a distinctive sound and some really powerful Jerry ballads, so I wouldn't agree that 86 is ahead of everything from the Vince-only years - although I'm sure there are some good moments from 86 I don't know about because I don't listen to much other than the December shows from that year, unless someone links it specifically.

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Poster: utopian Date: May 27, 2011 1:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mystery Vocalist. 1986 deathbed Jerry

Agreed

Death bed Jerry - these were, in fact, the ballads of a dying man in Spring/summer 86. He was tired, and close to the edge. There were some truly abysmal musical moments right before his diabetic coma.

The lyrics of loser come into play for me here.

"come to daddy on an inside strait
I got no chance of losing this time"

Jerry who was drudging up the effort to give it one more show.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 27, 2011 1:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mystery Vocalist. 1986 deathbed Jerry

that candyman on the first night back still gives chills....

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Poster: vapors Date: May 27, 2011 3:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mystery Vocalist. 1986 deathbed Jerry

yep

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: May 27, 2011 10:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mystery Vocalist. 1986

> The december shows illustrate how much the haggen daz hiatus had evolved them yet again

Great line!

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: May 27, 2011 10:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mystery Vocalist.

Well written. I agree. Thanks

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Poster: deadheadnorway Date: May 27, 2011 9:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mystery Vocalist.

Hear hear! Couldn`t agree more : )

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